Many people are speculating on what the motion filed by George and Cindy Anthony’s attorney Mark Lippman is about.
Below is my opinion that I posted on Websleuth’s regarding what it is likely about, as well as my post on why Jose Baez can make such scandalous allegations in the first place.
Mark Lippman’s Likely Motion?
FYI: It has been verified that Mr. Lippman is filing a motion on behalf of Lee Anthony for Lee to also be present during the trial.
I think the motion is one the state probably should have filed, which is a motion in limine to prohibit the defense team from insinuating George molested Casey in questioning until such time as someone has actually testified to it (i.e. Casey Anthony).
The state should have probably made the motion immedietly after the opening statements, as it is improper for a lawyer to ask questions of witnesses that imply facts not in evidence or that the lawyer does not have a good faith belief will be established by the eventual evidence.
Ironically, this opening statement issue came up in what many consider “the case” that led to Nancy Grace’s fall from grace (pun intended) as a prosecutor. See Carr v. State, 482 SE 2d at 322 (GA. 1997) (“The transcript of the opening argument shows that the prosecuting attorney (Nancy Grace) repeatedly made references to physical abuse although the trial court had ruled out all evidence of purported abuse. There is no occasion and no excuse for attempting to influence the jury in advance by improper statements as to evidence which counsel knows he cannot prove or will not be permitted to introduce.”)
Anyway, as you can see from the case involving Nancy Grace, if argued correctly, Lippman’s motion would force Baez to proffer to the court how be believes in good faith he will establish George molested Casey to support his defense theory.
If his proffer does not involve him stating on the record that Casey (or someone else) will testify to it, the judge would likely prohibit him from pursuing the line of questioning or insinuating such scandalous allegations through his questioning. (That is, unless the Judge finds the Anthony’s don’t have standing for such a motion – in which case the State should adopt the motion.)
Speaking of Baez’s Scandalous Allegations
The general rule is that a defense attorney [any attorney actually] enjoys “absolute immunity [from law suit] in any act occurring during the course of a judicial proceeding, regardless of whether the act involves a defamatory statement or other tortious behavior . . . so long as the act has some relation to the proceeding.” Delmonico v. Traynor, 50 So. 3d 4 (Fla. 4th DCA 2010).
In this case, Jose Baez’s scandalous allegations were made in arguing a defense of his client and would therefore be considered rationally related to the proceeding. As such, he is entitled to absolute immunity for the allegations he made against George, no matter how damaging they are.
With that said, if it could be proven that he actually fabricated the allegations, he would likely be disciplined by the Florida Bar.
Additionally, while George could not pursue Baez if Baez was just restating what a witness told him, he could nonetheless sue the person who made the statement to Baez.
In this case, it would likely be Casey Anthony who would be the person making the defamatory statements, so George would most likely not pursue the matter.
97 responses to “Baez, Lippman, and the Scandalous Allegations”
Any thoughts on Casey’s 68k IRS bill which presumably originates with her 200k ABC deal from Aug 2008?
Yes, ABC filed a 1099 miscellaneous income reporting form indicating that they paid “Casey Anthony” $200K.
Unfortunately for Casey Anthony, Jose Baez was in such a hurry for her to endorse it over to him he forgot to remind her that even though she was in jail she still is required to report the income and file a tax return.
Just another example of how he had a conflict of interest in brokering the deal or even allowing her to enter into it.
$68k sounds to me like there was a bigger pay-out than $200k, but I’m not an accountant.
Since she had no real job or income that year it seems unlikely that she would have filed a tax return for 2008. If she didn’t file an income tax return (where she could have reduced the amount of taxes owed through deductions) $68k is about what she would owe on income of $200k. $200k puts her in the 33% federal income tax bracket. Does Florida have a State income tax? If they do, I suppose we’ll next see a tax lien coming from them as well on this “windfall.”.
For some reason, I don’t believe they do, I think I read it somewhere in the past. Richard would know.
No, FL has no state income tax.
The $68K includes penalties & interest on top of the tax she owed on the $200K and is figured from 4/15/09 (when the tax return was due). The IRS also states in their notice that they have tried to collect from her in the past, so has Baez not been telling her this whole time, or does she just not care? IRS ultimately will hold her responsible, as “not knowing” is not an acceptable excuse to them. Don’t know how she’ll ever pay it if she’s found guilty…Her long arm of destruction may end up extending to all US taxpayers…
Florida does not have state tax.
It seems to me if she had filed a tax return, it would’ve affected her indigent status, or should have. Baez certainly toyed with the FL Bar, the ASAs, the JAC, & the Court on this one.
If Casey Anthony takes the stand, is there any way to elicit testimony that she was paid such a huge amount for photos of Caylee, while supposedly knowing that her child had already died in *an accidental pool death*, in order to pay her attorney? Baez tried to make a big deal about Ricardo selling photos to the Globe, to prove he was tainted. And that was a price tag of only a few thousand.
The judge probably would not allow it, but if I were a prosecutor, I would at least have a hearing on whether it could be asked because of the way Baez is using the same $ issue against other witnesses.
Plus, it’s a bit ridiculous to question how expenses are being covered for state witnesses when, in fact, Jose Baez and Casey Anthony’s entire defense is being paid for by the state of FL.
I still don’t understand why the courts didn’t find that Baez had a conflict of interest when he allowed Casey to sell pictures of Caylee in order to pay for her defense. It just seems SO WRONG on many levels! Even more so now since certain facts have come to light. This has always burnt me up. I wish the jury could hear that Casey sold pictures of Caylee in order to pay for her defense…although doubtful they will sadly. Casey didn’t have any money or any assets in order to pay Baez for her defense, but he kept her as a client thinking he hit the jack pot (money wise) – selling the pictures to the media. And when the money from that dried up, she was declared indigent! The whole thing makes me sick thinking about how Baez and Casey worked the system. It just doesn’t seem right that they were able to do that and get away with it. Talk about being morally corrupt! What a low and evil thing to do. It’s like laughing on Caylee’s grave all over again.
Another thing I wish the jury could hear about is I wish they could see a couple of those media clips where Casey is standing with Baez during the first weeks when this story broke and she is wearing a t shirt and a button with Caylee’s picture on it “please help find Caylee”. OMG! Seriously? Why in the world did Baez allow her to get in front of cameras to play off that charade? By that time he had to have known that Caylee was already dead! Not only does that look horrible for Casey, but it also looks horrible for Baez!!!! It would not bode well with the jury if they had this information. It’s really disgusting and downright devious if you ask me. He paraded Casey out in front of the camera in that “Help find Caylee” tshirt and button several times. I still can’t wrap my head around that one! I wish somehow the prosecution could get that in somehow. Is there any chance of that?
The Blog blawg was very enlightening and correctly stated. Sad case for our judicial system. Idiots like Bozo Baez and Casey Attoinette do nothing more than add already skeptisism. I hope she spends a LONG LIFE peering through the bars waiting for her next glimpse of “MAN MEAT”, as she so brazenly wrote about in her jail house letters. She will get some bull dyke to lick her pee pee every day. SHE WILL BE IN HEAVEN! HAHAHA
Please, keep your filthy comments to yourself. It undermines your credibility a great deal.
Whatever the case, I am still very pleased that Cindy Anthony appears to have finally seen the truth about her very disturbed daughter. That’s a huge step for her. Baez is a true sleeze ball! I hope Karma kicks his ass!
imo Casey Anthony is a Danger to Society and should never be released. I think she would kill again, and it would probably be her parents.
This trial should have taken place long ago, and I will be happy when it is
finally OVER!
Hope all is well with you, Richard. I love reading your blog. I have learned
alot here. Continued success.
Elizabeth
Baez needs to learn to manage money. From what I am reading on other blogs, he is still unable to make his house payments! Maybe his “tough guy” friend “Her rawl doe” will pay them for him!
Baez has 2 residential properties that were affected by the decline in real estate value, so his mortgages were “upside down” …. he put them into foreclosure so he could adjust his mortgage accordingly, like the Anthonys did — & like Conway did, & like Dom Casey did…the list of the insiders to this case who did this boggles the mind. jmho
Hello Attorney Hornsby!! 🙂
Counselor, I know it may seem nice and fantastical to a lot of people who’ve followed this case from the beginning, that George and especially Cindy Anthony may have finally found redemption, somehow have seen the light and are now seeking true justice for Caylee Marie.
Don’t believe it!! This is what happened six weeks ago, imo. Baez got those two psychological-type doctors and/or therapists to speak with Casey and that’s when she (or they together) concocted the George/Lee Anthony incest story, George covering up Caylee Marie’s accidental drowning and then Roy Kronk’s “part” was added in later on (OR was somehow always meant to be part of Casey’s defense, b/c I think Baez has a “you know what” for Kronk and has always had it out for him, imo).
Well, through the natural discovery process, the State Attorney’s Office got a hold of this possible defense “strategy” and told this to George & Cindy Anthony, via their Attorney Lippman. George & especially Cindy are narcissistic and/or sociopathic (maybe less than Casey is, maybe even way less, but still they are nonetheless, imo), so they’re not gonna fall on ANY swords for Casey, especially when they’ve already spent the last three years lying about how they still believe “Caylee Marie is still out there alive, waiting to be found” and how Casey and Cindy will continue their search for Caylee Marie once Casey is set free after trial (yeah right) according to a recent letter from Cindy to Casey.
Both G & C were clearly advised by their Attorney Lippman that Child Sexual Abuse and/or Molestation in Florida is a Capital Offense (not meaning the DP, but meaning a possible LWOP sentence, if convicted) and also that this crime, like murder, HAS NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS in Florida.
So again imo, what George & Cindy are doing now is neither heroic, nor loving, nor in rememberance of Caylee Marie, but in the interests of their own proverbial hineys!! All George, Cindy and soon to be Lee Anthony are doing now is simply what everybody in that whacky Anthony household (except precious Caylee Marie, of course) does when faced with choosing between their own interests over the interests of someone else, even if that someone else is their daughter, mother, father, or brother, like George at the Roulette tables, they always bet on their own a**es!!! Again, all imo.
Wanna see the REAL George & Cindy Anthony??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG-bUi5QFl4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOuFHv7XKHU&feature=related
Nuff Said.
I hope you are fortunate to meet Baez in a court of law someday Richard. I know you could kick his ass and he so deserves to have it happen. He really does give defense lawyers a bad name
I have been in the same courtroom as him many times.
The officiial Casey Anthony Website:
http://www.casey-anthony.com
The key question that the prosecution should ask: This question can solve the case and must be given to prosecution to close this case for jurors to think about to convict Casey Anthony once and for all. This question must be asked on Nancy Grace or other programs.
According to Casey, she asked the neighbor a few days later to use a shovel,
Then WHY – IF -SHE – Casey Anthony – already knew, days before of coarse that CAYLEE Anthony was dead. and GEORGE, she claimed already knew about the death, that CASEY asked to use a shovel from the neighbor next door that she barely knew or ever spoke, that she needed a shovel from him to “DIG UP BAMBOO RODS IN THE BACKYARD SO CAYLEE Anthony WOULD NOT STEP ON THE BAMBOO RODS” so what is her excuse of why she needed the shovel if after “Baez” stated that George and Casey had know Caylee was dead. If this question is asked anywhere in the case,
1) It shows that Casey Hid the Body herself and George had nothing to do with finding the body in the pool and or as George would not want ANYONE to know about any shovel if his Grand kid CAYLEE was ever found missing in the future. Especially after being a retired detective if they were BOTH in on the disposal of the body.
2) If George had found the body and hid it, there was a shovel locked in the shed.
3) This question from time line will solve any accident theory with George involved and also that if CAYLEE was dead, why would Cassey need a shovel days later to dig up BAMBOO rods in the backyard so CAYLEE would not step on them.
4) The above is the question that will make sure the jury does not hang and the prosecution must get this question through to the jury while presenting the case. If asked or in closing statement…this will convict. Nancy Grace and all other TV programs must spread this theory and Casey Anthony will be found guilty. Write or Call Nancy Grace or leave your theory on this website. The lies she has told is bad enough about the her time line and lying to law enforcement and everyone and stating she was molested was a RED Herring. Leave your comments or questions. lets not have another O.J trial. This child was never drowned.. George Anthony had nothing to do with it as he was obviously wearing MISSING CAYLEE Anthony T-Shirts etc. for months while searching. Contact the prosecution or News programs to make sure this above question and theory is drove home to make Casey Anthony Guilty.
Mr Hornsby,
Your upbringing, character and respect for the law shines through every single blog entry. Thank you for that!
May this slimey little lawyer go down along with his despicable client.
They give people like you, and the LAW, a bad name. A real bad name.
Much respect!
The motion is brilliant, but a day late and a dollar short. The prosecution should have filed it immediately, as you stated. Although, I don’t think that Baez has mentioned the sexual abuse all that many times since opening statements, other than in cross of George.
Hi Mr. Hornsby!
Thanks for explaining this situation to us. I have a question. If the court finds that the Anthonys have standing and do grant them an audience and then rules that the defense has not met their obligation (i.e. no one is going to testify to this), does the court have the power to instruct the jury on disregarding what was said to them on this matter in opening statements?
Because the bell has already been rung for the jury at this point. I realize that if nothing else is mentioned about it in the trial the jury will note that, but that seed is still there to taint George’s testimony and Lee’s…and Cindy’s since she is implicating in hiding the “family secret”.
Thanks in advance!
If granted, the State could probably ask for what is called a curative instruction; but more than likely, the judge would just instruct Baez not to allude to the allegations until a witness testifies to it and then remind the state that he will be re-reading the standard instruction at the end of the trial advising them that what the attorneys argue or say is not evidence and should not be relied upon as evidence.
Thank you Mr. Hornsby! I sure do appreciate being able to stay straight by reading your analysis of these issues.
Good post, yet again Richard. Thanks.
My question would be this. Could Baez not simply says that he *may* call Casey Anthony to testify and/or intends to do so and that he intends to establish the sex abuse allegations that way?
Surely there would be no way to disprove this? Also, would the court really be at liberty to delve further into the Defense’s trial strategy given that the Defendant is entitled to refrain from showing her hand until the Prosecution has put on it’s case?
Mr. Hornsby, I have a question for you. Can Baez just state that Casey will testify as to the allegations of molestation, or does he have to provide further proof than that? Could Casey be put on the stand in the absence of the jury and her testimony proffered like they did Tony’s? TIA
Richard, Baez said George Anthony stuck
his wazoo in Casey’s mouth. How can he
proffer that to the court without Casey’s
testimony? No one else was there.
I agree.
Thank you Richard. You are God’s gift
to little Caylee.
Richard, I hate to bother you again but,
what happens in the state of FLA if there
is a hung jury?
Richard, why is Bozo allowed to ask every ex-friend of Casey if they were “present on June 16, 2008 when Caylee drowned in the pool,” since there has been no evidence submitted to prove that theory? If I remember correctly, the State objected, and Judge Perry overruled their objection.
I have been asking this same question all week. Doesn’t this assume facts not in evidence?
If the State objected, and Judge Perry overruled their objection, then Baez can continue to ask. If he sustained their objection, then Baez cannot.
Thank you for breaking it down for us, Mr. Hornsby. I enjoy reading your blog. What I find so heartbreaking, is Mr. Baez has not only accused innocent people involved with Ms. Anthony, but now, when he can’t set his ego aside, is accusing her very own parents. I’m sure juror’s will take note to this, but what about the lives Mr. Baez has ruined. Roy Kronk, tried his very best to report to LE, those woods and swamp were awful, I can see LE not being able to find what Roy Kronk initially reported. It would have been great if they would have spent more time there, but like anyone doing a job, you have LE officer’s that sometimes think civilians are wanting to inject themselves into cases, as we have seen through out this case. Nonetheless, Mr. Baez, had the opportunity, and in my opinion an ethical responsiblity, to advise his client, that her telling the truth, informing LE what actually, happened early on. Casey Anthony, with her habitual lying, destroyed 4000 seachers lives, Tim Miller, who really does do searches for missing children, time, money, bad publicity, my god how will people want to volunteer anymore. I want to believe our justice system works, but after those opening statements, it is my opinion, although, I do not say I’m learned in the legal system, that this is just simply a no name lawyer, trying to get some sort of media time and some sort of a career built, on a DP Case. He should be barred from practicing law. Casey Anthony, would have gotten a lot less publicity, the family of Caylee would have gotten a lot less stress, if Mr. Baez would have informed his client, what she was truly up against. For the public to watch this, and have access to all the discovery, well in my opinion, Mr. Baez is just showing what an unethical slim ball that he truly is.
As heartbreaking and maddening as what Casey is doing to her own family is, every thing you just stated with regards to Kronk and all the volunteers– it’s almost worse in a way.
I just can’t see the Kronk angle of this coming from anywhere but the mind of Jose Baez.
Casey was offered a plea deal before the body was found. She had to tell them where Caylee was. Obviously, she didn’t take it. I think the entire “Kronk angle” is Baez covering his ass for not taking a plea deal for his client that would have had her out in 10 yrs. Now, she’s facing the DP, in large part thanks to is brilliant legal advise.
His “Ah-ha” Moment was just his putting into place an answer for the inevitable:”Why didn’t you take the plea for your client when it was offered?” that he will get hit with right and left when trial is over. Who cares if you ruin a few lives over it.
Baez throwing in Kronk into his b.s. will be his downfall. Baez claiming Kronk was wanting the reward. At the time, no one even knew Caylee was dead. No reward had been set up yet & when it was, it was for a live Caylee, not a dead Caylee. Baez’s hate for Kronk let his mouth overide his azz.
Jose keeps referring to Caseys’ reality” when questioning witnesses. It makes it seem as though it’s a fact that a completely different reality exists for her. He uses that reality to explain away all of her negative behavior. Of course when people tetify that she was a good Mom, then is she supposed to be in the “real reality”? If she really lives even part time in another reality isn’t that called insane? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think for one second that she is insane.
Good point. When are we to distinguish “real” from “pretend” Casey?
Thanks Mr. Hornsby for answering our questions. Could Baez use the jailhouse letters from KC to her “friends” as proof of sexual abuse?
Also, if you were representing such a client and the only proof you have of this was their say so, how would you use this in your case? I guess, what I am trying to ask, if you didn’t believe your client, what would you do?
In regards to the jail house letters, I’m starting to believe after that wonderful opening statement of Bozo’s….NOT….that he actually set those jail house letter’s up to be found. I really, really, would like Judge Perry to give an additional 100 hours for investigative hours to identify if Sylvia Hernandez new Mr. Jose Bozo the clown wanta be attorney. He sure became Casey’s lawyer very quickly, wonder if Sylvia was his inside person. Just a thought, nothing amazes me anymore in this case.
Mr. Hornsby,
Thank you very much for this article!
I am still in shock JB would make such allegations, he is such a slimy ball!
I remember when KC was out on bond she told Tracy she would have a “mistrial”! Is this what she was talking about?
I have another question, will prosecutors be able to bring the checks KC stole from Amy? From my understanding she would have to take the stand. What about the $200,000 KC made, will they bring at up if she takes the stand?
Thank you!
Richard,
Thx for your insight regarding Lippman’s motion. In your post you indicated the the prosecution “should have” filed this motion themselves and I must disagree.
IMO the prosecution did not seek to suppress this information bcuz it has/will make the jury see Casey as a diabolical monster.
As in, without allowing Baez to make these crazy far-fetched allegations I believe the state would have a much harder time making the jury see how evil Casey actually is and now Baez has done it for them.
Now the jury sees what Casey is capable of and how dangerous she is. Baez has managed to make the jury scared of Casey and once you are personally frightened of a person you will be much more likely to give them the DP.
Before Baez’s OS I never thought for a second Casey would get the DP but now I am positive she will.
So although the state “could have” suppressed this info before trial I believe they didn’t on purpose.
Richard, apart from the claim of abuse itself, how can Baez state (or ask questions that suggest) that abuse makes people turn into total liars, who are aware of and take pride in their total lying liarhood, have no emotion when a child they supposedly had an amazing bond with dies or disappears, etc. No expert witness is going to testify to this and it doesn’t seem a lay person is qualified or competent to make such a diagnosis. Should he really be able to state this is an excuse for a total lack of credibility or to ask his weird questions about living in “Casey’s World” ? I’d be interested to know what you think, please.
Mr. Hornsby,
That was an amazing blog. Informative and funny. I look forward to reading more from you as this case progresses.
Mr. Hornsby,
I have some questions for your show if you don’t mind.
Do you know why Lee Anthony’s attorney has not filed a similar motion to be heard by the judge?
If you were his lawyer, would you?
What do you make of Cheney just sitting there, letting Jose flounder so?
Based on what we know now, as we sit here today, what do you think a reasonable offer to plead guilty would entail if Cheney were to try to propose one to the state?
What do you make of the jury?
What do you make of the two defense psych docs being added to the state witness list? Apparently things went way south in the depos of them, because the defense called the judge and the judge did concur that the depo should be stopped. Has that ever happened to you , that it went so far afield you asked to stop a depo?
Do you think that Casey will take the stand? Kidding. I am kidding.
Since Baez is so bad at opening doors, is it likely the jury will wind up learning of the check fraud, even before the penalty phase?
The computer searches for neck breaking, how to make chloroform , shovel and household weapons, what do you think the jury will make of that?
I noticed that Tracey, the body guard that lived with Casey for eight days when LP bailed her out, is not on the witness list. She said in her police interview that Casey mentioned chloroform to her BEFORE the reports of chloroform were ever mentioned. Some of Casey’s friends have testified Casey said x y or z, so could she take the stand and relay that conversation, or is it too late since she is not on the witness list?
What did you make of the defense hiring someone like Rosalie Bolin that created such a public backlash on day one?
What do you make of Linda Kenney Baden going on every single show, some daily to opine on this case, after she claims to have left the case for financial reasons?
It seems we are back to square one, where Terry Lennoman wanted to take the case from jump. Do you know him?
Since Florida doesn’t recognize diminished capacity, what exactly is this called what Baez is doing?
If it turns out he has nothing, absolutely nothing to substantiate the allegations he made, will the Florida bar be interested in this or hardly?
Lastly, Roy Kronk’s lawyer could file a motion similar to George and Lee’s , right? It is a very like problem, Baez is making accusations of serious crimes and has likely nothing, whatsoever, to bring forward to subtantiate them.
It kind of reminds me of Raymond Donovan who became Secretary of Labor in the first Ronald Reagan term, was subjected to a vicious smear campaign and prosecution which continued for years. After he was exonerated, Donovan made the famous statement, “Where do I go to get my good name back?” It seems just the allegation being so severe, the taint will follow pop and Lee all of their lives.
I know you explained that no one can be sued for these allegations in the court procedings, but if Jose or Cheney mess up and mention them in one of their voluminous press interviews, then, IT’S ON, right?
Mason came close in his protraced In Session interview recently.
Why hasn’t anyone mentioned that the Menendez Brothers claimed sexual abuse by their father and sexual torture and cried on the stand and they still were found guilty.
In similar circumstances, the actual cause of death for Lacey Peterson and her child were never discovered.
And, considering how many women claim sexual abuse and they do not kill their children, how can this be presented as a defense?
Why can’t the State bring in the fact that Casey stole money? That was part of her behavior after Caylee’s death. I would at least think the State would be asking each witness if they gave her money and maybe the jury can figure it out. If she isn’t working and getting a paycheck and her friends and family aren’t giving her money where is it coming from??
Also why is Jose allowed to ask witnesses if they saw Caylee drown? No one has any proof she did drown. I mean they could say anything…did you see Caylee get hit by a car, did you see Caylee fall down and bump her head, did you see Caylee slip in the bathtub? Don’t they have to have some proof that something else did happen??
Listening to you on websleuths talkradio show.
The Anthony’s used NON-chlorine products in their pool.
Heard you on the radio, too, when the sound wasn’t wonky. About the supposed fight on June 15: I think the problem is that Cindy may have denied it happened.
As to the Tony proffer: doesn’t Fla. allow prior consistent statements to come in to counteract a claim of recent fabrication IF the requirements are met and the defendant’s credibility has been attacked? Clearly, it would have to support the major abuse allegation, and have been made when there was no incentive to lie, etc. What Tony said would fail the test, I agree.
Dawn, you are right Baez should have to prove
sexual abuse leads to habitual lying. No expert
will testify to this.
I am just throwing this out there. I have a younger sister
who had a bedroom right next to mine. We shared the
same bathroom. I would never invade my sister’s privacy.
If you grow up your whole life with someone, you know that you could
accidentlly see your sister either nude or partly unclothed.
Baez will ask Lee if he ever saw Casey’s nude body. If he says
no I believe he is lying. If he says yes, but by accident, Baez
will jump all over him. Others reactions appreciated.
Perhaps Lee will be forced to see Casey nude in court by Baez, in the same unprofessional step that Baez took forcing Cindy to look at Casey’s lower abdomen (as if Cindy were an OB/GYN) in court wearing a mauve form-fitting shirt, after Casey’s meltdown on Saturday in court caused by Cindy not looking at her. jmho
Mom and pop used Baquacil in their pool.As usual Baez is wrong on the facts.
LOL Julia, and he must not have told Ms. Simms….cause she was all over the I left Caylee’s bathing suit in the trunk. Funny, how Bozo must not have given his so called pro-bono helpers all the evidence. Maybe that’s why the all bailed on him. The only one I see in the case actually trying to perform her job is Ann Finnell, and boy did Bozo leave her one heck of a mess to clean up! “Does that make sense”
yes, I thought Dot Simms was made to look bad (or the DT did it to themselves, intentionally, thinking everyone else were idiots) by repeatedly going to the “Caylee bathing suit in the trunk” bit. Not only did she selectively ignore the baquicil (pool sanitizer based on hydrogen peroxide not chlorine) product the Anthony’s used, she also selectively ignored that Casey left Caylee’s bathing suit & swim things in a backpack in Chris Stutz’s bedroom (hidden from him, presumably) on her visit to his house while Anthony Lazzaro was in NYC in July 2008, which eventually he turned over to Cindy Anthony after Casey’s first arrest, at a meeting of her (former) friends to discuss timeline at Cindy’s. IIRC. jmho
Bottom line is Baez can not
deliver the lies he told. Period!
Dawg, The Prosc. will clean that mess up quick.
I wonder when Casey and her hot-shot (not) attorney will have a fight and implode?
PLEASE EXPLAIN: Why would Mr. Kronk have gotten a reward later rather than sooner? That garble went right past me. thanks.
I was thinking the same thing…Mr Kronk saw finding Caylee as a lottery ticket yet he waited til months after he first thought he saw something to ‘cash in’ because he was having car repairs & he needed money. First of all, when is it NOT a good time to have extra money, and it would be pretty risky considering lots of people were looking for Caylee to leave her out there for someone else to possibly find, like maybe his own estranged son who he supposedly told all about how he was gonna be rich & famous. He’s been living in Casey’s world for too long, where you don’t rely on facts or common sense.
Least we forget that the 5000.00 that was given to Roy Kronk was given to him by the Anthony’s Attorney at the time Mr. NeJames, the reward was for a LIVE CAYLEE……5000.00 doesn’t make anyone rich or famous….give me a break.
1st – Kronk called the tip into the 911 dispatcher; Kronk didn’t call the tip in through the crime tipline (crimestoppers? i forget the name), which not the same as calling the case detectives phone or the 911 dispatcher, & crimestoppers (or whatever it’s known as) makes that abundantly clear, & they are responsible for providing the big reward monies.
This made Kronk ineligible for the crimestoppers’ big reward. (Baez, you might want to take note).
2nd – the $5000 “reward” given to Kronk was arranged by NeJame, through Michelle Bart (Anthony’s spokesperson at the time), & the money was provided by the “Never Lose Hope Foundation” of Pete Benevides….who also anonymously backed one of Casey’s bonds (after the Padilla fiasco) so she could get out of jail, summer ’08, IIRC.
3rd – Kronk “licensed” images of the snake that was found by himself & his OC utility co-workers on August 11, 2008 to ABC (? NBC? CBS?) – a national TV network anyway – when he appeared on that network’s morning show. That was his “big” $20,000 payoff. (big deal; drop in the bucket compared to Baez’s >300 media appearances – with fees paid ? – & the Anthony’s multiple repeat appearances on GMA & The Today Show, IMO.
jmho
Thanks Richard for explaining what’s up. I am appalled at Baez’s opening, OMG, then to throw KRONK in for good measure was almost laughable. Sadly, KC is facing the DP & it is stressful to watch a moron ramble on continuing to overestimate his own intelligence, not even prepared to cross examine GA after accusing him of sexual abuse. I LMAO when one of the analyst stated that GA led the cross examination of himself, Baez was unable to even focus. Though I am no fan of KC’s, she deserves a zealous & competent defense, Baez’s lack of experience shows, all at KC’s expense.
WHAT good is Mason, or has Mason agreed with this Defense? I can’t imagine the impression KC is making on the Jury, thus far, GA & CA have exceeded what I had expected from them. Sad, after all this time, they seem to finally get it.
art tart, “or has Mason agreed with this Defense?”
What a great question! One can only wonder when initially he declared her guilty by way of all of the evidence against her, and said she deserved whatever sentence she received!
I guess he was talking with the other half of his fork-ed tongue when he joined the defense team and shot off his mouth about how he was going to walk out of the courthouse with her on his arm, a free woman, a handful of months later.
I tend to believe that being as well seasoned as he is, he felt rather sorry for Mr. Inexperience (Baez) and jumped right in to assist “for the fun of it” which is pretty much what he said when he made his very first appearance.
The question I have is, did he know, way back then, that an accidental drowning would be the defense?
We know that the night before Caylee went missing–Cindy had a violent outburst (re: Money) against Casey.
Furious and frustrated, Casey left home shortly after with Caylee. In a fit of temper, she most likely went ballistic and took her pent-up angst against Cindy out on Caylee–deliberately, to Spite Cindy, also.
Check out the Casey/Lee conversation, where she told him “….and I can also be Spiteful person.” ( I’ve been waiting for this to be mentioned.)
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(Also, Cindy must have realized she’s actually responsible for Casey’s reaction to her the night of their last, violent altercation–which might account for her previous defending of Casey.)
In November 2009 Baez said Roy Kronk was responsible
for Caylee’s death. In opening statement he said she drowned.
Casey said to police Zanny the Nanny kidnapped Caylee.
What a joke of a defense. It was not Roy Kronk’s fault
that he had to call the police fours times. The police did
not do there job. One officer has been fired for lying about
opening bag and finding leaves. Even if Kronk moved the
body the defense is now saying he did not kill her.
Must see YouTube video:
A computer store owner , saw Casey and Caylee together the day after Father’s day at Walmart. So apparently the state has a witness that can cast doubt on any story that Caylee drowned, at least on that morning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPOxOMRHXls&feature=youtu.be
Mr. Hornsby, someone said on TV that the State had to furnish their opening statement to the Defense and vice versa prior to the trial starting. Is this true?
Absolutely false.
Richard, since we are now hearing that Lee wants the sequestration lifted for him too, do you think that is all Lipmann’s motion in limine tomorrow is all about? Also, could you follow me on twitter? @nilla623 ? Thanks!
So many questions, so few answers. One thing I know. Casey Anthony is a clear danger to society. I think she was planning to murder Geo. and Cindy next….she told Amy that she would soon get the house. She is a cold blooded murderer, and very dangerous! imo
I am sure that Bully Baez will put Cindy through hell tomorrow. I just hope she is able to throw it back at him. His friend Ger Rald Doe is prolly helping him with his crappy “Defense”….
OOPS!!! MEANT TO SAY : WILL NOT PUT CINDY THROUGH HELL!!! OH MY!
BEING A BULLY, I’M SURE HE WILL THO! WHAT A POS!
After seeing Caseys’ reaction to Cindy on the stand & realizing moms not covering for me this time,My guess is Baez is going to be thrown under the bus. Maybe a double-cross from Mason & Casey.Now that would be entertainment!
I just don’t understand why he did not advise Casey to take a plea in this case. Mr. Hornsby? Really? I am not an attorney, but it just does not seem logical to take it this far…
Maybe he did, but she rejected it.
I may not ever understand defense. I do have empathy for you and your peers.
yes and pigs fly.
There’s always one in every group..
Grund, Jesse – Engaged to Casey at one time. DNA test taken soon after Caylee’s birth showed he was not Caylee’s father . Cindy mentioned Jesse as the person who had taken Casey to the hospital earlier in the year for a seizure. He contacted LE before they called him. He said that Casey was a habitual liar. On June 24, he had received a call from Casey. She was trying to cheer him up after a recent job loss, and wanted to get together that weekend because Caylee was with the nanny, and they had gone to the beach for the weekend. After learning that Caylee was missing, he called LE to give statement because it contradicted what Casey had been telling everyone. Missing Persons Investigator Awida McBryde later obtained a sworn statement from Jesse regarding this information. He has taken a polygraph and answers were satisfactory to LE. He is not considered a suspect but rather is a witness.
Jesse Grund’s father
This is a bit of an aside, but I haven’t seen any speculation about it & I’m hoping Mr. Hornsby can help: Regarding the $200,000 Casey made from licensing fees…How was this arrangement handled with Jose, and does he face any liability for not preserving a tax buffer for Casey’s IRS debt. More importantly, could this present a situation for Jose that the Florida Bar Assn would choose to get involved in? Shooting for the Moon, could he possibly get disbared for misusing his clients funds?
Mr. Hornsby,
Do you every bump into Beaz? If so could you give him a dictionary and thesaurus if I sent one for him?
I am pretty sure during that opening statement the word he was looking for at one point was eloquent but elegant seemed to work for him, between that and repeating religious I am sure that he needs the help. That is just two brief examples though countless others could be pointed out.
I wouldn’t hire Mr. Beaz to fight a parking ticket. Everytime he stumbles into a good point he manages to dilute that with nonsense.
Mr. H,
Is there anyway you could comment (and in turn help many of us to understand) when Jose Baez objects in many of these proceedings he just refers to numbers instead of reasons. What do these numbers mean? I’m sure that they relate to cases or statutes or some maybe outlines of objections, it would just be nice if we knew what he was talking about or at least where we might be able to look this info up.
Thanks for the great explanations and assistance with this case, I really appreciated you insight!
He is referring to the statute number for the evidence code. (i.e. “404” refers to Florida Statute 90.404, which defines when character evidence is admissible.)
Many thanks! That makes sense and now I can look up some of this. I actually heard it from another source that several of the jurors asked Judge Perry the same question. They just need you there to explain. 🙂
Wasn’t this for Anthony Lazzaro’s testimony on “The SECRET” she told him re: Daddy spanked me when I was little, & Oh! yeah, my brother tried to feel me up but then he didn’t, really ?
Please correct me if I’ve got it wrong – my understanding is that that motion in limine is for that one issue, & a separate motion in limine requiring the defendant to proffer statements pertaining to (Baez’s) allegations that George sexually abused Casey would be required by either the state or Mr. Lippmann. jmho
Richard,
For some reason when I click on your blog, on the main, from Google, I am directed to a 2009 post, “Casey Anthony: Insufficient Funds (Part Uno)”. If I click Casey Anthony in subcategories, I arrive here.
I thought you might want to know, even though you are unfaithful to your unfaithful readers.
I still can’t get over the audacity of Baez questioning Cindy Anthony about making money from Caylee photos.
Interested (and Richard, too),
Same thing happens to me. When I come from Google, it takes me to the same entry you are seeing, “Casey Anthony: Insufficient Funds (Part Uno)”. Seems like that’s been happening to me the last 2 days or so.
And also, I agree with you about the questions Baez asked Cindy about selling the photos and trademarking Caylee’s name, but I guess he thinks he has to play that way since he has nothing for a defense. He’s trying to discredit every state witness to paint his client in a better light. I wonder if the jury has picked up on this yet? Baez did the same thing (sold pictures) KNOWING Caylee was already dead. I have a feeling when Cindy sold those pictures, she thought Caylee was still alive. Maybe that doesn’t excuse her for selling the pictures, but in her mind…maybe she justified receiving money for those pictures because she thought getting Caylee’s picture out there would bring her home.
Don’t get me started on how Baez treated Amy H. today. Wow, did he really have to be so nasty to her? I almost came unglued when he basically accused her of being an alcoholic who almost got a DUI the night she fell asleep at the wheel, and then he tried to insinuate that Amy stole all of Casey’s boyfriends. Good Gawd! His behavior with some of the witnesses isn’t going to score him any points with the jury. At least I don’t think anyway. He comes off as a BULLY, and his immaturity and inexperience is loud and clear. I don’t know how else to put this other than….the man just oozes “BAD Joo-Joo”! I almost can’t watch him when he’s up questioning witnesses, and I often feel like I need a shower afterwards. I felt so bad for Amy today, but I think she held her own inspite of Baez’ behavior and questioning.
The state and Amy may yet have their comeuppance; the prosecution may still argue to bring the felonies in. Also, Richard said that HE would argue, even if unsuccessful, to get the profits in from the sale of Caylee’s photos by Casey Anthony, if he was on the prosecution side. I hope that they bring that up, even if outside of the jury, because the national public attention to the hypocrisy, alone, might bring a modicum of satisfaction.
Hi Richard,
I find myself coming here often to see if you’ve posted anything new. I really enjoy reading your opinions.
Totally off topic here and not related to your most recent blog post, but I have a question. Do you know what ever happened to the Bar complaint that was filed against Baez back in Febuary 2011? Has that been resolved? Do you have any idea what it was about, or is that information kept private? I’ve been curious about the latest complaint…especially now since the trial has started and I’ve watched him in action. Thanks!
Keep up the great blog postings! I come here everyday hoping there is something new to read. Looking forward to your next entry!
Erin
Don’t know what happened to the bar complaint, but I suspect it was dismissed for lack of probable cause.
The bottom line is that until Casey Anthony complains, it will be hard to find Baez violated any ethical rules.
Thanks so much for the reply Richard.
You cannot disagree that something happened to Casey Anthony……
I think she should press charges now!…MOO. If it’s true which I sense it is due to her actions etc. Just look at that family’s dynamics. There’s obviously something George wanted to hide due to his actions which inturn manipulated and threatened KC perhaps would be blamed if she “Told” …Seems to have been the norm in that household….That explains why the grandparents did not take action for 30 days also…..Ummm It’s called Common Sense
Press charges for what? She’s only screaming sexual abuse now that she is facing the death penalty. George has denied it. If it did happen (which I’m not convinced it did) how could it ever be proven?
I don’t buy into the theory that sexual abuse can cause someone to cover up an accidental drowning and lie or whatever Baez is claiming. Ugly coping my azz! I am a victim of some pretty horrific things during my childhood…much worse than what Casey is claiming she endured, and I can’t imagine covering up an accidental drowning out of fear. Give me a big freaking break. As a matter of fact, BECAUSE of the things I went through as a child, I find myself quite capable of handling adverse situations and even feel I better equipped than a lot of my friends who grew up in loving, non-abusive homes. I’m lucky and I know it. I was able to overcome most of the trama through good therapy and a great support system (mainly friends, not the family that put me and my siblings through hell). I put myself through college at a major university and enjoy a great career. Abuse affects people in different ways, but I have serious doubts that Casey is telling the truth about being abused. To me, she seems like a master manipulator who used her family, stole from her family, and is now throwing them under the bus for her own selfish needs. That’s not someone who fears her family. Sorry, not buying it. She has absolutely no crediability. None. And neither does her lawyer.
Dear Richard,
Correct me if I am wrong, but is it not the generally accepted rule that lawyers do not interrupt each during closing arguments.
I was astounded at the complete ignorance and rudeness by Baez during closing statements.
Please advise.
I object every all the time, if you don’t object, you can’t preserve something for appeal.